Scaler 2 with an arranger vst possible?

I think to remember I checked it, but was unable to get a sound out :grin:

if you succeed, please let me know

In fact, if it is the most convenient, I think BIAB is a good choice. I usually click on chords in SCALER for inspiration. If I find a chord progression, I immediately enter it in BIAB, select the music style, and immediately generate the accompaniment, which feels very good.

If I need to improve, I go to daw for the next step. At this point, I can record vocals, very quickly.

Speaking of vocals, I recently discovered a new plugin and I’m feeling great. I don’t know if you have noticed.

@ClaudioPorcellana - I see why you might be confused. It took me a bit until I found this video —

It requires a rethink. There are 2 parts to the plugin but when it’s set up right it behaves kind of like Scaler with the Key lock on. It transposes in realtime so you can use any pattern to trigger Transpose and play into Scanner and it will follow you. This should be fun.
Still fooling with it but it has a 30 day demo (very generous) so I will be exploring this for sure.
In some ways I could see Scaler evolving somewhat in this direction although with a different spin on it.

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Very interesting video, thanks for sharing

I installed the ReChord program on my M1 machine. Can’t find installation anywhere. Logic doesn’t even recognize it.

Thanks, but actually I did all those passages, following the user manual

But don’t be fooled by the pianist in the video
the notes of the solo are not like Scaler green-keys, so one cannot calls it “auto-accompaniment” like e.g. my Broomstick Bass (or like AIR Iginite)

In other words, this tool doesn’t behave like hardware arrangers, i.e. it doesn’t follow the solo notes you play producing in-tune basslines, drumlines, etc.

Rather, you must create one or multiple patterns first (with Scaler maybe) and then you have to follow that pattern(s) with your bare hands and knowledge of music

Moreover, using Scaler to feed patterns didn’t work in my case

The only difference I see in the video is the splitted keyboard that wasn’t visible in my tests: maybe this is the way I was unable to use Scaler to feed it, but anyway this tool is not an arranger

Now, if you look at the vArranger interface, you’ll understand what I am searching for :grin:
and you should also understand why re-chord is not an option

The only cheap option is Giglad that can use tons of Yamaha free patterns, but…
it is not a vst YUK

Nevertheless, it can work with VSTs 2 and 3 so maybe you one use it with Scaler put into, but I found the learning curve too much steep to me, so a brave volunteer is needed to test it…
:grin:

I could even consider that program, but it doesn’t seem to work unless it’s based on Windows.

Not fooled by anybody. Just checking it out. After further exploring I can do much more already in Cubase 12 and it’s chord track section. It was worth checking out but not worth $99. Still, there are elements of that, if adapted by Scaler could be cool down the road. I might work with it a little more but it isn’t intuitive at all.

Yes, being counter-intuitive is a feature of many apps, and a feature that stops me giving any money :grin:

Well, it seems to me that the only real arrangers are BIAB and vArranger

But I don’t like both for different reasons, so I’ll wait that another one jumps out, if any

I haven’t figured out what ReChord is trying to be. Scaler fits more the Auto Accompaniment in many ways. It’s cool in an experimental way but it’s still missing something especially for $99.

I checked better the website, and vArranger is not actually a VST, but a VST host, so not an option

BIAB is the only arranger available, apparently
and a tear ran down my cheek, thinking to Carlos Eduardo Arellano

BIAB is very useful. But BIAB VST is not stable.
I only use BIAB’s main program. Enter chords, export WAV, put WAV into DAW

when I first buy another 2TB external hard drive, I download the BIAB Ultrapak program again after a long time. I’ve missed even doing things with it for a long time.

clearly not… :grin: :rofl:

I love jamming way more than editing
thanks anyway

BTW, I wrote many tutorials with Scaler + Toontrack and other tools, and you can find them in this forum

well, because you seems to be a master, why not posting some good tutorials?

Hi all … I will admit that I have just skimmed this thread so I hope my comments are not repeats.

I have searched for arranger software too. I have tried varranger (you are right about it being expensive) Giglad, One Man Band, Jjazzlab, and a few others but haven’t found one that I like. Band in a Box isn’t really a good option because you have to enter the chords rather than have the program follow the chords you are playing on a keyboard. The closest thing I have found is an ipad app called EvolverFX. It is not designed to replace the “smarts” of an arranger keyboard but with a little work you can get close.

Just today I was thinking with some work you can probably get Scaler to provide quite a bit of the functionality of an arranger keyboard using Pad Mode. You would need to pair it up with some drums but I think it could be done.

I will let you know if I have any success.

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I totally agree Bill

and I also hope that Scaler will implement an arranger
nevertheless, yesterday night I had this thought:

The nice thing of limitations is that they drive you to force your limits
so, for example, you realize you don’t need a robot for everything

clearly, I cannot become a master in keyboards, but I realized I don’t have to rely on Scaler for everything but the coffee :grinning:

I have to use it to find cool chords, and it helps in solos, but I must improve my skills to play manually the several instruments I have

I am sure that this will give better results than divisi-stuff & Co, and I will not get crazy with impossible templates and presets

Within a few days I’ll have a refreshing vacation on the mountains, with the ONLY music of winds and brooks

cheers, Claudio

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Not exactly the perfect solution, but doable

BTW, this came after my vacation in a place full of fresh air and waters, wild animals, great foods, and peace of mind

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