What do you want in Scaler 3.0?

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Pardon me. You want a piano roll view to do midi tweaking or edits?! :thinking::face_with_raised_eyebrow::face_with_monocle:

Apologies if I did not explain myself clearly.

I would like to see a drop down editor appear within Scaler when melody, bass etc presets are selected and played. The editor would work in a similar way to Logic Pro X arpeggiator, allowing various editing and manipulation of chords and notes over 8 bars or so.

The immediacy of this feature would help speed up workflow. :rocket:


I agree. Scaler Devs over to you.

Great thread. I like a lot of what’s asked for and +1 most of it.

This may sound trivial but it isn’t. I’d like the Unions “bug” corrected if possible. As it is now if a Unison (single note) in used in place of a chord in a Pattern when the project is saved, closed and re-open later, the Unions are all removed. The work-around is to use Octave and then mute or delete the unneeded notes. This is not a perfect solution for various reasons. If I had one wish it would be this simple thing worked better. One reason is that guitar parts often feature a chord and some single notes. I’ll leave it at that.

If Scaler stopped right here it would be one of the best musical tools I’ve ever used and I’d use it, as is, for years.

Thanks :slight_smile:

Sic! Logic doesn´t support this.

Logic, no. Neither does Ableton; … but Reaper, yes
There are some articles in the forum in which we explain how it can be done: basically, select the chords you want to copy, right click and copy to clipboard; go to clipboard, paste, select and copy again. Then, in your DAW place a marker and by putting the name PASTE
In any case, I adhere to the request, since it should be easier and more comfortable to be able to copy the chords to the timeline of any DAW

But isn’t this a DAW thing? How would Scaler account for the different or non-existant way that each DAW handle this info from Scaler? Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t see how that is even possible since there is no standard for that. Maybe that not what you mean here.

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Yes Jamieh. Perhaps I was too hasty in making the request myself, since I am aware (and I think I once recognized it that way) that it is not a problem of Scaler, but of the developers of those DAWs. In fact, if Reaper does it perfectly, it is not understood that the rest cannot do it. apologies

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To be honest. I never saw Scaler crash or cause a crash. And with all respect, what are you doing with 1400 plugin?! Isn’t that the source of your issues? Interoperability?

Scaler has historically crashed with multiple instances and with virtually no other plugins going on. DAW never crashes with my other plugins, however adding Scaler the probability of a crash skyrockets. (which is sad, as it is my favorite tool in the box)

I haven’t had time to use 2.6 much yet due to life situations and hoping we continued to see stability improvements.

My plugin folder could use some cleaning up, but honestly 1400 plugins isn’t anything unusual. Just Melda, IK Multimedia, and Plugin Alliance alone puts that number in the 400+ range easily.

It isn’t like they all get used on a project. Chances are most tracks are going to have no more than 20 effects on the whole thing, including the master bus.

If you haven’t aquired 1400 plugins (DAW and 3rd party provided) over your life span, I’m going to guess you likley haven’t been doing the computer recording thing for all that long. Or you simply have more sense than the average music creator.

I’ve used Cakewalk for 20 years. Some versions had stability issues, just like every DAW that has ever been on the market.

That said the Bandlab version has been quite stable generally speaking for me. In fact, literally the only time I’ve had issues is with Scaler involved (many times driving another vst with midi in/outs)

I don’t create projects that have a ton of editing (audio or midi), so it should just work.

I have been playing with Scaler for three days now. I love the massive library of progressions.

What I would like to see is more intelligence in the performance mode. It seems that phrases, melodies, etc, are translated to another position that sounds repetitive. Besides that, a musician would like to stay in a particular range. Maybe that is possible in Scalar, but I haven’t found it yet. So if you know it, feel free to inform me. What would be awesome is if the performance mode keeps in mind both the (temporary?) scale and the chord. For example, a melody plays towards the third note of a chord and knows if those notes will fit in the scale. And if that stays in a range like one and a half octaves, that would be awesome. For example, if it doesn’t fit in that range, Scaler chooses another pattern.

Another thing is that musicians could improve the library of progressions. I am familiar with Jazz and hard rock. And I noticed that the metal progressions are more like pop music, whereas metal often uses Phrygian mode.

Have you tried Voice Grouping? This helps with grouping and voice leading.
Scaler has no way to intelligently change patterns. I don’t imagine this will be coming anytime soon.
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Yes, I’ve seen grouping, which seems to be the best option. Thanks for letting me know.
It’s all right, that performance mode won’t be more intelligent. So I will use Scaler to see if I can get inspiration for chord progressions and some patterns. But I won’t let it play in my daw for sure. Well, maybe one track as a reference, temporary. In the end, I will play everything by hand.

When I bought Scaler at version 1 I bought it primarily because of the chord progressions. At v. 2.6 it’s still the best for progressions and if that’s all it did I would be happy. However it’s expressions have continued to get better and I wind up using many of them in my film soundtracks. With editing and DAW tricks they are quite handy. I wouldn’t dismiss them outright. They spark ideas I might not have thought of.

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In Scaler, once you have decided the scale in which you are going to make (or are creating) your progression, the chords change color, from blue to gray, depending on whether or not they belong to the chosen scale.
So it happens that some interpretations sound bad, why? Simply because we map the performance to scale mode. On many occasions it is better to choose the chord mode. Also in the MOD tab you can choose the way in which the chords you change will be linked.
In the EDIT tab you can invert chords so that there are not so many jumps between the voices, or simply to make it sound more to your liking. Likewise, you can define the duration of each chord.
Also in EDIT you can program the interpretations: For example, the 8 chords played once without interpretations, the 2nd time with arpeggios, the third time with Riffs, etc.
And, as another option, you can drag the progression into your DAW and visually choose the chord links
It’s a matter of trying.


Yes, I’ve seen the settings in edit mode. I use the preferences > playback instead because it takes too much time to do settings for each chord and find a pattern. ( 8 times the duration, repeat, group and find patterns for each).

Then I drag the result in the DAW, add other tracks by hand, delete the track I dragged and play it manually.

That is a good method. I also play almost everything manually at the end. More dynamics and expression controls can be moved as well. And by the way I practice the piano


Now I understand how removing that jumps :astonished:

It’s a great luck having onboard a master in musical theory, so also wannabe musicians like me can improve :grin:

Thanks @jjfagot