Just for clarity, I wasn’t advocating more sequences - there are enough for me. My comments on midi were just that @Swingmix was looking for more clips, so I suggested a source for him.

You are quite right about the unpredictability of where a useful sequence might originate from. My central point is that of frogs and princes, and how you find the golden needle in the haystack (much mixing of metaphors here…)
So if I’m into (say) trance, that might be a logical place to start rather than jazz, to try and get some rationale in to the auditioning issue. I guess randomly choosing some sequence is also valid, and maybe more creative. I was just underlining its the sheer scale of the choices one is faced with that can be a problem.

So, what do you start from when you sit down in front of the PC ?

I hope scaler can add some styles according to music classification
Including, according to intro, verse, prechorus, chorus, bridge
There is only one purpose. Drag MIDI to finish music quickly.
And can be assigned to the keyboard, live play.
Help more people who are not good at playing the piano.
If it is a commercial work, you can modify it yourself
But if you do it quickly, you don’t lose inspiration @ yorkeman

Now I play all kinds of chords with scaler every day for inspiration
I’m very sensitive to chords and I’ve recorded a lot of ideas
But I have to combine ezkey to do some things, which is more troublesome
I hope scaler can do it on its own. That’s perfect

A premise:
I don’t consider myself a musician, nor a composer
Rather a folk who plays for relax and fun, and now I can say I am a “proof of concepts maker” (maybe this will be my next nickname replacing rabbit composer)

Indeed, my PC is currently full of proof of concepts :woozy_face:, mostly are raw stuff, and maybe I will never find the will to complete them up to mix & max, even if I have many Isotopes to do that

Anyway, all depends on the instrument I want to have fun with

In Ableton Live 11 I have a series of presets, so if I want to play e.g. with the Hammond, I use this or this

While if I want pluck Strum-GS 2 I do this or this

For the Scaler part, I usually start with any random series of chords, or I create one from scratch (less often) then I move notes up and down with MIDI Polysher to have an auto-accompaniment, then I have fun (trying to) play solos

The price of Scaler is much lower than that of Nikos MIDI pack.
Nikos MIDI pack is very, very expensive, but I don’t think it’s comparable to Scaler.
I like Scaler very much
But I don’t like Nikos MIDI pack
But I can watch some of Nikos’ videos, but I won’t pay for them.
I think Scaler is great, advanced and saves creative time
Nikos MIDI pack is backward and a waste of time

@swingmix, maybe you lost this and this and this

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Niko is selling 1000 MIDIs for 27 bucks just now

Inexpensive I think

ezkey 2 comming soon

Maybe I read it wrong. I thought more than 1,000 :sweat_smile:

Where have you found that?
I believed it wasn’t in the Toontrack’s pipeline

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It probably got lost in translation… Niko did advertise “a $1200 value”, that can get mistranslated as “price” (stumbled over this before). It’s a common way to make things look cheap by claiming a “value” much higher than the sales price.

OK :sweat_smile: :sweat_smile: :laughing:

Under the 2k monitor, the ezkey interface is too small. I think ezkey should be upgraded. They haven’t updated in a long time.
I think I can discuss how to use scaler and ezkey correctly

I think that many people would like that, me included, but I also think to remember they’ve never mentioned the intention to do that, that is a pity

I quite agree as well. I initially liked Orb Composer so I purchased Orb Producer to use directly in the DAW and it felt like there was no real AI going on with the randomization. It would continually create out dull basslines and no matter how many times I would push the randomize button, it would generate more randomized drivel. The same thing went for each module of the Orb Producer suite. That being said, I did find it useful from time to time for arp generation but, even then, I would have to modify the midi in some spots to make it sound better.

I’m all for automating the generation of notes where it’s tedious and more about focusing on the lead instruments and overall song. Unfortunately, these plugins that claim to create random notes have so far proven to be too random.

I will say that I did find using Orb Composer a bit interesting but I feel that the program is not ready for prime time (not as easy to import the midi into DAW as Orb Producer and slightly buggy) and a lot of the folks that are using it seems to mainly be using it as a musical experiment rather than for creating songs that are for public consumption.

I found that Scaler2 is great for using alongside Captain Plugins though as their bass, chord, and other modules are not randomly generated making more coherent sounds. I do wish that they would do a bit more to add additional patterns but I guess you can’t have your cake and eat it too.

I find it highly annoying that there are YouTube channels out there that will always tell you that “This is the greatest thing since sliced bread.”. I think they pretty much rubber stamp any product that they get for free. Some of the worst offenders I’ve noticed are like Ave McCree and a few other hip-hop type producer channels. I’m not really into that sort of music but I do sometimes find some of their tutorials helpful.

The general issue is that products now are marketed as “artificial intelligence” (AI) when they are actually not. The hallmark of intelligence (artificial or organic) is that it learns, adapts. Most software is still canned, static as programmed. It may be data driven, but data sealed at shipping time. Only software that learns as it runs should be considered intelligent. I am actually surprised that a tool like Captain Chords, which already insists on constantly being connected to the Internet, does not leverage a data cloud in the backend, consolidating feedback from all users on random created melodies/basslines, to arrive at a composite score of what the most popular random created melodies/basslines are. That’s technically fairly easy to implement. Compare it to how Facebook and Youtube rank content via interpreting views and likes.

Scaler 3.x feature? @Ed1 :wink:


I’ve been on the fence about buying Scaler 2 for some months now.

I tried ChordJam for iOS for $8. There are a handful of features that are potentially useful/interesting. However, it’s main core function-- choosing a Chord Type-- not only doesn’t work in any logical way, it actually prevents you from choosing even very standard chords. It’s really dumb.

So, I said to myself, “enough of this.” and I went and finally kicked down for Scaler 2.


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