From Ableton to?

Because it has a lot of stuff I will never use, like the Standard version BTW

My current workflow contains a few plugins and they are more or less the same
I am not a professional, so I don’t need everything

For example, Minimonsta has about 600 presets, while my preferred ones are just some dozen…
And this is the reason why I will never ever think to buy Omnisphere with its mega-gazillion of presets

Which Max 4 Live device was this?

I mean Max4Live addendum, needed to use the BBCSOdivisi Project, that is the sole reason why I bought it, but I had tons of issues with BBCSOdivisi Project, so I gave up (after a whole useless afternoon, not 15 minutes as you may think :wink: )

Max4Live does not run in the Standard edition. You need the full Suite for that.
So it seems, like always, you are exactly where you want to be. You have the DAW you like. Why do you think you need to change? I don’t understand it. It makes absolutely no sense to me. My advise as it has always been - Learn the DAW you have inside and out. It will do all you want it to do.
Good luck and Happy Jamming.

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That’s rational … If you auditioned the standard Omnisphere library and took 30 seconds on average to curate each one, it would take maybe 15 day at 7 hours a day to get through them :roll_eyes:

They have however, developed a very good instrument and genre based browser, but it also has ‘sounds like’ matching, which means you can be quite selective in your sound searches.

However, merely listening to them is not helpful because you will have forgotten what the first 3,000 sounds like on about day 5. Hence, you need to spend time to have some form of catalogue or structured notes to have best use of of it.

However, it is an amazing synth (just look at the film credits on their web site) and it’s my ‘go to’, along with DUNE 3. Plus, it’s 8 part multi-timbral, so it cuts down the set up in Live…

Max4Live does not run in the Standard edition. You need the full Suite for that.

NOPE, you can buy it apart and use it

So the problem was the BBCSOdivisi Project maybe, or just a complex (not well explained) process to activate both Ableton Live Standard and Max4Live

Because Ableton is not ideal for certain MIDI jobs

For example, to send the Scaler output to different channels (for my Garritan or BBCSO for example) I must drop tons of MIDI tracks in the middle, so that the tracks area becomes enormous

It just costs money.

I wish I had his sensible approach.

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In other words: the only thing I dislike about Ableton is the complexity needed to drive orchestral plugins as my Garritan or BBCSO; Apart that it’s perfect

SO, I’ll simply forget the orchestra theme for now

BTW, my preferred orchestra could be a very crazy one:

  1. No one main bandleader, but some dozens of single bandleaders, just tied up (partially) by scales
  2. No scores at all
  3. No instrumentalists that know the music theory, read the scores, or play properly their hardware

The day I’ll be ever able to found that orchestra, I’ll call it The Madmen Jam Orchestra
:rofl:

5 years ago, I bought Komplete Kontrol Ultimate Edition, with some over 30k presets, and I am still discovering new presets every day. It’s actually fun, lots of replay value :slight_smile:

Same with Arturia Analog Lab V… maybe I should get Omnisphere too, LOL

Can’t speak to Bitwig’s suitability to @ClaudioPorcellana 's use case. But Bitwig is certainly Scaler friendly…

That was a major reason I got Bitwig, the ability to nest MIDI plugins, which is a hassle in the Ableton Live version I had (10, Lite).

Too bad I cannot sell you my useless 550 Minimonsta presets then
:rofl:

Logic Pro X is a really good DAW. The price-quality ratio is right and easy to learn.

If you are on a Mac which @ClaudioPorcellana is certainly not.
Such is life.

Any reason you haven’t tried Bitwig? I just spent 10 minutes with it and it seems to hit all the points you were looking for. Scaler can go on the same tracks as other instruments so routing is a breeze. @Bernd is the expert so he would know more. Seems cool to me.

Tried, and more than 10 minutes… :rofl:

But as I said the only reason I tried Max4Live and other DAWs was to find an easier way to route Scaler to the various BBCSO and Garritan instruments

Apart that, Ableton Live Standard is just fine, end even superabundant

I recently checked better the BBCSO Ableton Templates, and they are a good base, and a lot of clicks saved

I’ll just to add the same number of Scaler instances, and save my BBCSO Ableton-Scaler Templates, then I can start composing like Bach (Ouch! Not that easy :rofl:)

They are still pretty big from a track count perspective and I have been looking at other ways to manage the midi if you don’t want 75 players in the orchestra.

It seems to me that a critical issue is whether you drive each section of the orchestra with a different midi source, or whether you want to split one or more sources and direct the midi to one or more sections based on some rule such as pitch or velocity.

I’ve been looking at ways to deal with the latter without having the totality of the templates, and plan to maybe post some ideas in due course.

You may find it interesting to look at this, as it’s simple, but for a novice like me very instructive. BBC SO would fit with thus nicely.

I prefer the first option, using one Scaler instance for each instrument
like your hands on each track of the BBCSO Ableton Templates

‘trying’ Bitwig isn’t ideal. The demo version is very limited and missing half that features that make it the most creative and progressive DAW available imo. Left Cubase 12 Pro last year and couldn’t be happier.
I would suggest you check out Polarity’s videos on YouTube, particularly Note FX and generative workflow.

Thanks for your video linked, but I don’t like video-tutorials for a number of reason

  1. I growth on books, so I always prefer writings
  2. Modern writings, compared to paper books that I still love because their materico nature, have internal links that let you find things quickly, and you may also index many modern writing with an indexer tool, so finding information in multiple resources, while videos don’t
  3. Videos are almost in English and not subtitled professionally; automatic subtitles are often bad, and because I don’t know the topic (musical theory), learning from them is hard to me
  4. Most videos are just “writings stuffed into quips and knockabouts”, not made by seasoned videomakers, and they have a little content compared to their length, so a waste of time

P.S. Davide’s videos are one exception :grinning: but they just and mostly cover Scaler, a tool I know quite well, already

EDIT… I’ve checked the 30 day demo, and it is now up to date with 4.3 version

@jamieh I just found that Ableton Live 11 Intro and Standard contain some Max4Live devices
:astonished:

likely to make customer’s mouth water :rofl: