Resource-suckers: modeled plugins are also in the game

Hi pals

As some Scaler user know, I use just one PC that is not dedicated to make music, but is used for my job and for my hobbies

With my old PC (weaker than the current one), I realized that it lacked the RAM needed for sample-based plugins, so I preferred modeled ones

With my current PC that has more RAM and more CPU power, I started to use some sample-based like e.g. UJAMs and I got I was able to use them, as far as they are no more than 2-3

But, I also realized that many modern modeled plugins are strong CPU-suckers, YUK!

So, even if my current system is stronger in RAM & CPU, I must use all my plugins frugally, included modeled plugins that are CPU-suckers

A day or another, I must set a dedicated system, and I am starting to reason about it

Do you think that my old PC, a Dell OptiPlex 780 SFF Dual Core with 10 GB RAM (I can go up to 16), with all non-music software removed, can perform better than my current one?

As an alternative, I can also do the opposite: using the old one for Office jobs, and clean the new one to make music only… :thinking:

Hi @ClaudioPorcellana

This really needs a techie person to answer this question but as I understand it you are correct in your statement that

and that sample based plugins need more RAM. However I would add that sample based plugins work better with fast disk read times.

You don’t give the spec of your new pc but in your position I would use the old one for Office jobs, and clean the new one to make music only, as you suggest.

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Yes, this seems a sound move
The only issue is that installing the stuff I need for my job in the old PC, possibly reinstalling the OS entirely, requires much spare time, and I have a big book to translate in about 2 months

So, the advantage to use the old PC for the music, is that I can set it without jeopardizing my job…

Well, I think I’ll do the bad move first: I am curious to understand how can perform an old and weak PC if I install the OS only, and very few pieces of musical software :crazy_face: :grin:

It is a Dell OptiPlex 7010 Intel Core i7-3770 @ 3.40GHz with 16 GB DDR3 RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030 as a video card, and 1 TB internal SSD

That CPU is a decade old (gen 3) and the video card came out in 2017. With that config, you probably can’t run any browser at the same time as a DAW without recording glitches/dropouts. You might need to beef up your specs a bit…

Dual Core with 10GB RAM could be decent for office (or “MS Office”) jobs, but certainly not for music.

Thanks to all guys
Here and there, a crazy idea jumps out of my brain
It must be the hot weather, LOL

Anyway, my current system can cope with all my plugins, as far as I use a few of them in the song, and I also have the option to freeze the tracks, an option that I used scarcely so far, but I’ll use more in the future

As you see in the picture, freezing tracks reduces the CPU use a lot

And use much more space on your SSD or HDD. WAV files can be huge. But you do not use any plugin and everything is faster, too.

And I read that the size of samples matters, and favors bigger ones ifI remember well

Well, this is the least of my problems
I am using a minimal part of my current SSD, and yet I’ve a lot of tools

Cattura

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I think a lot of the answer will depend on the eternal question of budget? How much are you able to spend on building a computer that will perform as you wish?

I run a four/five year old spec - intel i3 based system. It has 24gB of ram. Runs my daw and multiple instances of the NI Kontakt sampler - which if you’ve used it you will realise is probably one of the most resource-intensive plugins going (that I’ve come across).

But there’s always trade-offs. For example, the intel chip I have is discontinued already, as is the socket type on my mainboard!! Yes, this is absolutely what is called “built-in obsolescence”. It is a deliberate tactic that is supposed to encourage us to keep buying new hardware. But, most modern chips will give you what you need, and they can often be found on secondhand sites (not Ebay necessarily) but again with the mild risk that if something breaks, you can no longer get a replacement.

And for guidance, should it interest you, my entire PC - built from scratch and including case, PSU, chip, mainboard etc. cost under 400 euros. You could probably do it for half that if you’re careful about component selection :slight_smile:

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Well, my problem is certainly the budget

I just bought my current one the last year, so I have no intention to change it now, and likely not the next year

I have just to avoid the most RAM/CPU-sucker plugins, and use tricks like freezing tracks, and I can go on making/playing music for 1-2 years and more

Anyway, the day I’ll decide to upgrade, I think I’ll go for a tower case (no more an SFF), because it has more space available for internal cards

Good idea. I don’t trust anything smaller than a big case for the obvious reasons you mentioned :joy:

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And, another thing I got, is that a better video-card is almost useless because I believed that a video card could have drained less RAM from my system, but I found that the most demanding of my workflows, that is editing big shoots, sucks less than 1 GB of RAM :crazy_face:

So I suspect that putting an internal audio-card could have been a better move, but who knows?
The way the OS manages the available RAM remains quite a mystery to me

Another thing that I found is that using the Profile feature of my anti-malware tool matters: I set Ableton like a sort-of video-game, so now the anti-malware slows down its activity when I make music, and the CPU is less used :grinning:

Stopping anti-malware tools while doing music as suggested by somebody is just crazy, so not an option to me

WOW!
I just found now that many Dell users were able to install 32 GB RAM in my PC

It means that I have some chance to cope with RAM-sucker plugins!
Amazing

I’ll let you know :grinning: