Actually, I checked the site (without logging in) a few times to see if 2.7 had been released, but I no longer post (and ditto with my alter ego, panda). I seemed to attract aggression, so I lost interest.
I am replying now because I noted the various attempts to fully utilise the really substantive upgrade which is 2.7 (@davide, they are a game changing for Scaler), and various challenges with Ableton Live. It’s a pity for folk to miss out, because 2.7 is great fun.
I have made real progress with Cantabile and the new 2.7 features and have had them working well with Ableton 11. standard under Windows 10. A useful feature is that you can sync multiple instances of Scaler within Cantabile. My final test will be to use Midi Clock to sync Live and Cantabile (and its internally synched Scaler instances) so that you can have tracks in both but start in sync and follow time from one button (either in Cantabile or Live).
If anyone is interested I’ll knock up some presentation and post it here to share the huge advance of 2.7, although I don’t plan to return to ‘participative’ posting. The minor drawback of doing this is that @jamieh will wince at my feeble attempts at Orchestration.
Luckily there is no messing around with complicated workarounds like you have to with those older DAWS that you already tested.
For using multiple mono instruments all you need to do is select Scaler 2 as the input device on the track inspector for each synth and select the corresponding MIDI channels that you want to trigger that instrument. You could use the MIDI filter if you wanted to fine tune combinations of notes.
For multi timbral instruments just put the instrument inline with Scaler2 on the same track.
EDIT: Actually just trying this out the best workflow is to place the Channel Filter device in front of each instrument part, you can then just click and choose on the filter which notes trigger this instrument. This is helpful because SCALER doesnt stick with its note to channel assignments when you turn on performance mode as many more notes are added for the performance so a three note chord can end up with 12 generated note channels for instance.
Here is a visual for the BITWIG setup for anyone that needs it. It’s very simple. I used Kontakt in this example but of course any instrument is fair play.
See @tactile_coast post above for further clarification.
Unless I’m misunderstanding something, which is quite possible, as far as I can tell, using Multi Voice on multi-timbral players in Studio One works as I would expect. (but this is all new to me)
Like I showed in my Tutorial post, I am driving multiple Kontakt instruments from a single instance of the Kontakt Player and a single instance of Scaler. There are multiple tracks, but only a single instance of each (Kontakt and Scaler). Each instrument got a different Scaler note using the MVO feature which is what I thought we were doing.
In another example, I’m using the SINE player (a great free option BTW) to host 3 different instruments (Organ, Strings, Brass) with multiple articulations per instrument. I have 1 Scaler loaded and 1 instance of SINE. Notes are spread across the instruments and I control the articulations with a key switch track.
FWIW, I’m having a blast spreading the Scaler chords across a bunch of instruments, either in composite (multi-timbral) players like SINE & Kontakt, or in single voice instruments like BBC Discovery (or even Scaler itself)
Is there another element to multi voice that I’m missing that S1 is not enabling? Because until I read your post, I thought things were working splendidly with Studio One but now I’m a bit lost.
Hey @TMacD, that’s a great solution! Little bit of extra work compared to other DAWs requiring an Instrument Track for each multi-timbral part but it works perfectly well. I’ve updated the document with method. Thanks!
Thanks to you and the rest of the team for a great product!
Note - For the Studio One users out there, the Duplicate Track (Not Duplicate Track (Complete) combined with the Group and Folder functions in S1 make the process of creating MVO tracks fast and easy to organize.
First post: can confirm Scaler 2.7 for Windows works (flawlessly so far) in Gig Performer. Now I just have to figure out how I want to use Scaler’s insanely rich options! Any guidance pointers for the first time Scaler user, honoured experts?
There is also Reper and from my experience Scaler 2.7 works with no issues in Reaper. For multi out just load Reaper into a track and load your other instruments into other tracks and use Reaper’s simple midi routing.
I used to use Cubase 5 and sometimes Reaper for a while. I didn’t really like either Daw, but then I had a Windows computer. Now I’ve had a Mac for several years and used Logic Pro X Daw, so there’s no going back to those anymore. I’ve liked it since the beginning and it’s been much easier to use since the beginning. I remember how laborious and difficult it was back then to get Cubase 5 to even make a sound from a guitar. However, Cubase has developed tremendously since those times. I don’t even know what the latest version is today.
thanks for the image so in Bitwig I managed to get each instrument to play from scaler but they do not play all at the same time only when I click on their individual tracks how do I fix this? I guess I can just have them all selected with Ctrl and they all play
I think I posted this on another thread, but I made a video showing how to setup multi out in Ableton, (for free) using Element and loopmidi, its a bit complicated but if you follow my video (most times) it should work and is a once only setup. Ive noticed it didnt work for everyone, but it did for me.
and if anyone is interested I used Scaler 2.7 using sync to create a synthwave track
I just joined the forum and am a new Scaler 2.7 user. I am on Ableton Live Suite 11.2.6 for Windows 10 and have gotten multi out to work in a very simple way using Plugin Guru’s Unify. It isn’t free but it is a fantastic plugin in its own right and it elegantly solves the multi out problem for Ableton among a lot of other pluses. It is cheaper than the Blue Cat option and has none of the issues of the free solution suggested above. You are totally inside of the Ableton environment so you can cut and paste your midi, sync to the DAW tempo, and record right to your tracks, etc.
Inside Ableton Live just put Unify on a new track and set the midi in to whatever controller and channel you want to use to control Unify. Open Unify and add a midi layer. Add Scaler 2.7 to the midi layer making sure to use the VST2 version. Now, in Unify, add an empty instrument layer and then substitute for the instrument of your choice. Using Kontakt as an example, you would substitute Kontakt and then add your various Kontakt instruments. Make sure the Unify midi input for the Kontakt instrument layer comes from your Scaler 2.7 midi instrument in Unify. In my case, I selected Kirk Hunter Orchestral Strings and Bass, Cello, Viola, and Violin instruments. I made sure that they were on midi channels 2-5 so that the lowest notes went to the Bass strings, next lowest to Cellos, etc up to Violins on channel 5.
Now, when I play from my keyboard midi controller on channel 1 into Unify, it will take that input and route it to Scaler which will, in turn, route the Multi Midi out to Kontakt and I have a proper orchestral divisi.
This also works with any other multi capable instrument such as Falcon, Avenger, or Omnisphere. Unify is phenomenal for a lot of reasons but it is really great for this particular use.
First post here… I’m new to Scalar in Logic and LOVING IT. Question about the amazing MV feature, please bear with my newbie consciousness.
If I’m not using a multi-timbral plugin with MV and want to route the MV output from Scalar to multiple instruments, the way I’m getting it to work now is a bit of a kludge.
I make four channels, each with a separate instrument.
I go into the MIDI environment, bring up the Monitor and assign midi channels 1-4 to the four tracks I’ve just made.
Drag the MIDI Monitor into a new channel.
Now, the only way I’m able to get the Scalar MV data to drive those four channels is to drag the MIDI data from Scalar’s section 3 into the Monitor track. That works great, but I’m trying to figure out how to drive Scalar into the MIDI monitor directly, and since the monitor track can’t accept an instrument, I’m stuck. I’m sure there’s some better way to do this. ?? Thanks!
PS: I did see a note about an AU limitation in Logic that might make this impossible. So I took advantage of some Black Friday sales, bit the bullet and purchased a few more of the Kontakt libraries so I can use this feature effectively. MV from Scalar is incredible!!!
Hi @yostopia, glad to hear you’re enjoying Scaler! As per the document linked to at the top of this thread, you are limited to using multi-timbral plugins such as Kontakt with Scaler’s Multi-Voice Output in Logic. This is indeed due to AU plug-ins being unable to output MIDI.
The only way around this as far as I can tell is to use the ScalerControl plug-in as a MIDI effect in front of a multi-timbral plug-in.
Thanks! That thread (and pdf) is very helpful. I bit the bullet today and (since there are some good BF sales going on) fleshed out my Kontakt library, which has been long in coming. (Today was a bit of a nightmare to get everything installed, but I’m in good shape now with plenty of MV plugin support.). Very excited to dive in tomorrow!
Thanks Tristan… I’m Scalar’s biggest new fan! A friend sent me a demo of a song he’s been working on with just guitar and vocal tracks at noon and by 3pm I sent him back a first draft of a full arrangement of the tune with keys, bass and multiple string parts. Scalar is a dream come TRUE! And now that I have a set of Kontakt plugins I can start experimenting with MVO.