Some feedback on my latest piece

…which I will not link to here, unless someone wants to hear it (it’s 23 minutes).

First off, hello fellow Scalerites ! I haven’t been here for a bit, hope everyone is well.

Second - at the beginning of this year, my first full year of retirement, I set three goals for myself: Keep my weight under control (so far, so good), read a lot more (15 books completed so far on Medieval English History, with six or seven more teed up and a plan to re-read some of the ones I’ve read already), and, with not a little presumptive audacity, write a symphony.

Well, I did that and finished it about a month ago. I’m really not classically trained at all, and I broke a lot of rules regarding form and structure, mostly I guess because I didn’t know any better - I just did what I thought sounded coherent and engaging.

I used Scaler a fair bit, mostly for ostinatos and a few melodic figures. I posted a link (reluctantly) on a digital music production forum and shared with some friends. Most of the feedback I got, especially from the experienced producers, ranged from skeptical to pretty harsh. I should have expected that, and I kind of did, but what really bothered me was the observation that passages where I used Scaler came across as unrealistic and robotic. Perhaps I over-used Scaler, or perhaps I should have manually humanized the notes. I’ve tried using the “humanize” function in Scaler, but, at least in the functions I used, didn’t hear much difference.

I’ll continue to use Scaler, but any tips from anyone here composing orchestral music that maybe I need to hear?

Thanks, everyone.

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Did you really write a symphony? What was your end product?

Well, it was a 23 minute piece in three sections (or “movements”), using orchestral VST’s, no synths and a few repeated motifs. As to whether it is really a symphony is a matter of debate. Perhaps my greatest pretense was calling it that, as at least one reviewer disputed it was a symphony in the strictest sense. It’s certainly not Haydn, or Beethoven, or Stravinsky, or (insert a name). I probably should call it a “piece” , or “A Long Piece With Orchestral VST patches”. It certainly is that.

The end result is a wav file. It was never meant to be performed by an orchestra. Maybe that’s the clincher.

That’s what I was getting at. To my mind a symphony can only ever be a performance by an orchestra. Even the score is not “the symphony”.

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You’re in good company with that observation.

Hi @DaveK58 ! Great to hear from you again! Now, you cannot tease us like this, and then not share the fruits of your work with us! I think it fits well within this forum’s culture to share your musical output, especially if Scaler played a role in it.

So, I for one, would like to hear that 23min piece you wrote, your past work being indication that your creations are worth listening to…

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Too bad that @jjfagot cannot reply

He was certainly able to give you useful insights and tips
Let us hope he will be able to come here again soon

+1 would like to hear what you’ve been working on…!

Another one here that would love to hear your piece, I’ve just started getting into orchestrion and finding it fascinating if not confusing at times. I like trying new things which also keeps my old brain active :thinking::joy:. I’m sure there are a few more on here would like to hear it to.

Maybe it is online already?
:grinning:

:slight_smile: No, Claudio. Link added to thread.

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Here’s the link, everyone. Thx for your interest.

1st Symphony

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As @Bernd indicates, Dave has IMHO created a lot of impressive stuff. He has an extraordinary knowledge of English Medieval history and architecture (and I can’t think there would be more than a handful of native English people in the same league - amazing for an American, if I dare say so), and has musical sound tracks to his many videos on the aforementioned topics. I like the way he matches the musical paragraphs to the subjects being displayed at the time. I’ve found it a source of some interesting ideas.

I’m listening again to the symphony piece, this time to try and tie it up with fragments used of out of Scaler.

Well worth 10 minutes over a cup of coffee.

Thanks for the very kind words, panda. I’m just an amateur, in all respects.

Well done, I’ve just listened to your “Symphony” and I appreciate the amount of time you must have spent on this. FWIW I thought the movements progressively got better, but that might be just to personal preference. If I attempt anything like this I get about 2 or 3 minutes in then struggle to progress, but hey my 70 year old brain isn’t as sharp as it used to be :joy:, and I’m only doing it for my own pleasure. I look forward to hearing future pieces.

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