MusicXML integration

Is ist possible to integrate to Scaler MusicXML for Import and Export?

I second that a MusicXML capability for Import and Export would be a fine addition!

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Import and export what exactly?

Scaler already inputs and outputs XML for the state import and export, so has all the necessary parse code in there for handling XML. Assuming you were not thinking in terms of notation, and thus just the midi part of MusicXML, and further assuming the purpose was to map some external performance into Scaler terms, it would seem that possibly the best conceptual approach would be to transform the MusicXML into the format of a Scaler import - no point in having two API’s when one would do.
However it’s not obvious what Scaler could do with this; however. I don’t know anything about its internals, just some experience with API’s…

We had a look at this with @luapmartin in the early days of Scaler.

There are no technical limitations but the use is fairly limited, it has never been a priority because Scaler is built around a MIDI workflow. MusicXML is pretty big and supporting all of its concepts into Scaler is a massive job.

What is the specific workflow you expect, dropping a MusicXML file in Scaler to analyse the chords? Exporting the performed MIDI to a MusicXML file?

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It would be great if Scaler could export in MusicXML format. It would allow to have directly the score with the chords and performances when opening it in a score editor. I wish!
Meanwhile what I do is record it to tracks and export them from DAW as Midi. Then I open them in Musecore. It is not as good as MusicXML. In fact I have to tweak a lot of things to get a decent score

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Specific interoperational Workflow and Dataexchange for Dolby Atmos productions.

Steinberg did first a proprietary Implementation of MusicXML. Since their new Version even for Nuendo they support without their proprietary to be 100% compatible… i do not use Steinberg as a DAW as far you See i use strictly Davinci Resolve as DAW.

There are reasons why Muse did take over Audacity recently.
In my case working online and just to be a Hobby User without any knowledge the interest for productions external grows. Special
if you work with teams.

I also Work with MuseScore and the market they still have unbreakable 67%. Yours advantage is you grow yours market immerse.

Another advantage you get a direct usable system including Broadcast and a much better humanisation functionality.

I think this topic should be again regulary be at the roundtable of yours internal Team meatings.

If i have MusicXML the Definition of room and 3D space is more easy including AI interoperational.

Its one of the keys for Dolby Atmos. Most important i think as Hobby User is the move of Apple that now open their MusicStore. For this the new iPdad iOS and also their M1 and BigSur will completly rearranged.

My list of Scoring Tables i personal use for my Soundlibary with Plasmonic VST i Put in Attachment. Its Just the list and not the scales.

How you play with Scaler an old romanian pipeflute that is 1500 years old?

I Put a txt File to my Google Drive
https://drive.google.com/file/d/14INmwpaBO9FSDJlnXitrs84GdO4fXAy6/view?usp=drivesdk

My practice example for you ist here for free download. In description.

You are free to add yours Sounds 128 Soundobjects to the Midifile you get in download there. You can tell me where you like to have this Sound Object. I can give it to 10 pixels exact a place in the 3D room and i can let it move in the room. I put extra lightrays from the Windows into this Scene, to get an Idea.
Use Sounds without much Sinus Part. Mainly curves like triangle our brain can localize. YouTube Support Binaureal Dolby Atmos and this way everyone with ordinary headset can listen this. In case you have questions just put a comment there below the Video. You are free to set links there to Scaler or other Projects. And look to Videos Libertango, Santa Maria there.

Sony did take away their Strike and Support the discussion also for YouTube. Also for the Video results.

I disagree and i think in 3D room and other possibilities. I know what it means to support MusicXML. But AS soon AS possible If they get notice and decide for this way i like to be a Beta Tester. I also think in future AI integration. See my comments and examples below.

In case you start to think again in this direction.
Also for own simple experiments.
In this discussion you hear Herbie Hankock and all the Sounds are made with Plasmonic without MPE.

Inside discussion was also Keyboarder from Toto, and the composer of the Global Awards music. The Plugin responsible of Ableton also in this discussion was wrong. He thinks with Joysticks you can do this. You never get with yousticks IMHO a natural movement. For movement special live you need a pixel exact system what is implemented inside DaVinci Resolve but only used for colorgrading to get it natural. They did Not recognize me in the chat that we have it. This teaser i did build in 2 hours because at this day at #Jazzday they put me in the morning to the education Program so Not much time to prepare a proper 3D Soundteaser. Sorry i do Not speak one Word of english and Mist translate.

Both! You can use the Midi file below the Video and make for the Tango like in the Gotan Santa Maria Project a sound Object i just need for the Demo yours Wave Files in 48.
You can Tell me how you let get them Move or where is the Position. Example in Timeline second XY.
With a Score and MusicXML you as Composer and Artist can do the Position later Like its in yours inspiration… I see big advantages in this in future international productions. Lets make an example to Inspire the programmers of Scaler and Remidi with new ideas.

To the topic Music XML related i did made you today a special Sounddesign in honor to you. It should extremly good match to play real fagott. For the Description i like to know the Country you live and yours real name. Private you can send me yours Postal Adress. I hope you find this first creation usefull and like to send you a letter (real paper) with some handwritten scores for you. And my Signature.

The Mangelsdorf trombone patch should realy work good with a Fagott together. Give me some days to work it out and contact the son of Albert Mangelsdorf for some fine work.
Albert Mangelsdorff described multiphonics, which he developed for trombone:
“You play a note and sing another, usually a higher note. In the interval between overtones are created which become so audible that you end up with real chords-sometimes up to four notes…all that has to do with how far you can control your voice.”

Polyphonic wind instrument. ( VL 1/7 inspiration ) - MPE
PRESS: Sustain Amp and Tone. - SLIDE: Vibrato. - MW: Vibrato.
Polyphonic wind instrument. - ( VL 1/7 inspiration ) MPE -PRESS: Sustain Amp and Tone. SLIDE: Vibrato. MW: Vibrato.

By Daniela Tocan CC-BY-SA

I would just like to be able to import/export chord progressions via MusicXML.

Certainly this would require considering where in Scaler an imported chord progression could/would land, and where in Scaler we could export a chord progression from.

Technically though, chord progressions are only a simple tiny little bit of MusicXML. No need to deal with the rest of it.

From the user’s POV though, this capabiity could be very helpful.

For example, all the tunes I have in Band-in-a-Box are candidates for (or have already had) their progressions to be exported in MusicXML. I definitely would much rather just drag-and-drop that stuff than retype the entire chord progression of a tune. (Times every tune/progression I might want to transfer.)

A similar situation applies in the case of many other softwares too.

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In the bassoon you can and always do harmonics. There is a basic scale and from it other sounds are achieved with higher air pressure. As the bassoon developed, obtaining overblowing notes was less necessary, since the purpose of playing is precisely the opposite: clarity, the need to clean the note we want to project from harmonics. The production of multiphonics was a topic that I worked on a lot from a young age. It seemed innovative to me. Indeed, from basic bass sounds, thinking the note and with different pressures, or pressing another foreign key at the same time, chords are achieved! It’s fun. But I never made any money out of it, hahahaha. However, it was always a very instructive practical reasoning to teach playing and to suggest investigation in my students. jjfagot54@gmail.com

Stay tuned and i mail you in next days.

About XMLs I just found that some tools like e.g. JJazz.lab use this format file to exchange data, XML included

Maybe that @tocan meant that, also…
:thinking:

Can’t you just drop a midi file from Band in a Box into Scaler? Seems super easy. Barely an inconvenience.

No not worry i am not a specialist. My husband is the guy for such. I know Just where is the in Off Button.

Because of Covid-19 its more important interoperational Features. AS well as its the official standard and recently updated to Version 4.0 by the W3C as you can read in the Webpage also there is a list of the Programms that Support IT.

In fact if Scaler and the Plugin-Boutique Wish to be recognised as a serious professional tool and not just as a toy for some techno dubstep geeks than they do good to have related Standards implemented.

Music productions follow in professional sense a workflow. In film scoring regular the Composer ist in London because He compose with standard Tools and libaries. The composition goes maybe to LA and the music director get the result and send IT to the orchestrator for writing the Scores that they are playable for the artists. He can sit maybe in New York. The Orchester plays than in London Studios because in USA are different laws for the payments. The different groups of musicians play not all together.

Studio time is expensive. When all is ready and director of the film decide for another mood for Special scenes. And here for shure the Orchestra do not book again complete Abbey Road Studios.

In fact If i ask you Guys to help me with some additional Soundeffects and Changes than the Fun Starts.

I hate being defensive (and apologise in advance for it!) and somethings are lost in translation but scaler is used from multi grammy award winning music heroes such as Jean Michelle Jarre, Crowded House and Carl Cox and many of the team at scaler are multi award winning composers who regularly compose for feature film, major release video games and premier world events.

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Where did that assessment come from? Dubstep isn’t even in the “Artist” or “Songs” section of Scaler (or did I miss a dubstep artist there?). And Scaler being as much fun as a “toy” is a major part of its allure to part of the user base. The moment it becomes too serious and “professional” it loses its appeal to us hobbyists (a.k.a. geeks :stuck_out_tongue: ). And if we’ve learned one thing about pandemic business, people plunk down serious money for their hobbies. I heard Sweetwater’s revenue doubled in 2020, despite of professionals having been deprived of performing.

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I feel the discourse on this board is enhanced if postings are balanced and objective. The users of scaler are not all professional musicians and the comment has an element of contemptuous disdain about it towards sincere but amateur lovers of music. It is demeaning.

The rationale for MusicXML (primarily about notation) as being a primary development focus for Scaler needs objective evaluation. It implies that any professional using Scaler sees the interchange of notation as being a mandatory element of any usable product. It is a view, but without any form of supportive citation, it is just that, a view, as expressed by one user. That is perfectly valid, but in the final analysis the authors will make the judgement as to where their market lies.

I suspect and speculate that that the majority of Ableton Live users are not serious professional musicians. The minority that are include many who would deserve that tag, and are some of the most commercially successful. Yet a scan of the 82Mb Live manual produces not one single match for ‘MusicXML’. This would indicate that this “toy” product (if it doesn’t support MusicXML) can be used by both amateurs and professionals alike - it is not either/or.

That might indicate that the poster’s view is not universally shared.

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